Allplan Forum: Roof Covering (Dachhaut) : Several Issues

EiPM_Xavi

03.06.2020 - 10:33 *

Hi all,

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Previous Notes:

The new tool "Roof covering" (Dachhaut), it's a really very powerful tool. Conceptually, the usability is equal like wall tool, we love it. But internally, it's very different how wall tool works.

- In walls, every wall has only one parent (total wall), and several childs (wall layers) -> How wall works internally, it's perfect to manage data inside Allplan, reports, IFC, and so on.

- In a roof covering, every child (roof covering layer) has a parent. There isn't only one parent for all layers: then, if a roof covering have 3 layers, there are also 3 parents -> It's a madness: adds a lot of complexity in order to manage data inside Allplan, reports, IFC....

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Detected Issues:

Issue 1 - Some modifications in "Roof Covering" dialog box, are not saved. For example, material. This issue is showed in video "Issue_1_Modification"

Issue 2 - In report or export to excel using "Export Attributes" or "Export Quantities Data", shows incorrect allplan internal IDs of the "roof coverings", and this affects parents and childs. This issue is showed in video "Issue_2_Report_ID"

I also upload a zip file that contents: a NDW and RDLC files.

Best regards.
Xavier Coll
EiPM

Xavier Coll • Architect, Project Manager I+D, BIM Manager, BIM Auditor
EiPM • http://www.eipm.es/en/

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Nemo

03.06.2020 - 11:00 *

The problem occurs only with the new export to excel! When exporting to a CSV text file at least the ID's are correct.
The parent-relationship remains mysterious nevertheless.

I could not reproduce the problems of issue 1.

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EiPM_Xavi

03.06.2020 - 14:05 *

Good afternoon Nemo, and thanks a lot for your help. I'm agree with you, the parent-relationship are a madness.

About my video Issue_1 of my first message, I just detected why my "Roof covering" have this issue.

Actually, in Allplan 2020-1-2, there are some issues about to use "Import Quantities Data" and excel. As I tested, in the process of "import Quantities Data", in the dialog box it shows the option "with dialog box to comparing data" (see image "conclussion.jpg" attached). If this option is not "activated", the process it seems to corrupt the data of the geometry.

I upload:
- Process_OK: A video, showing the process "Import Quantities Data" + Activatied "with dialog box to comparing data"
- Process_Fail:A video, showing the process "Import Quantities Data" + Desactivatied "with dialog box to comparing data"
- A screenshot of conclusions.

Best regards,
Xavier Coll
EiPM

Xavier Coll • Architect, Project Manager I+D, BIM Manager, BIM Auditor
EiPM • http://www.eipm.es/en/

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EiPM_Xavi

03.06.2020 - 14:37 *

Zitiert von: Nemo

The problem occurs only with the new export to excel! When exporting to a CSV text file at least the ID's are correct.
The parent-relationship remains mysterious nevertheless.
I could not reproduce the problems of issue 1.

Hi Nemo! how do you export to CSV? :-D

Thanks!
Xavi

Xavier Coll • Architect, Project Manager I+D, BIM Manager, BIM Auditor
EiPM • http://www.eipm.es/en/

Nemo

03.06.2020 - 14:46

..with the one and only export in 2019!
There is no possibility to export directly to *.xlsx, and you've got the madness with excel trying to guess the formats
(makes room-numbers with points to dates!)
So I had hope, the export to *.xlsx solve this problem, but there are other problems obvisously...

EiPM_Xavi

04.06.2020 - 05:59

I'm agree with you, the xlsx export it's an important upgrade for Allplan. We love XLSX.

About the Issue_2 about repeated ID in the first column, I just test to export XCA and XCAX with the same bad results....

I'm trying to review rdlc file, maybe the problem is inside rdlc.. Nemo, please, would you share the rdlc file you use to export to CSV?

Thanks a lot!
Xavier Coll

Xavier Coll • Architect, Project Manager I+D, BIM Manager, BIM Auditor
EiPM • http://www.eipm.es/en/

Nemo

04.06.2020 - 06:52 *

PARENT(@10@)

Try also Export with "Export Quantities Data"

Maybe there ist a different behaviour to "Export Attributes"

EiPM_Xavi

04.06.2020 - 07:10 *

Thanks Nemo! it's the same fórmula that I use. The issue is the same in "Export Quantities Data" and "Export Attributes"....

I'm worried about first column of my RDLC, because it generate repeated ID.. (see image 001.png)
In my RDLC, I have configured as shown in image 002.png

Is your RDLC file configured equal?

Thanks!
Xavier Coll

Xavier Coll • Architect, Project Manager I+D, BIM Manager, BIM Auditor
EiPM • http://www.eipm.es/en/

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Nemo

04.06.2020 - 07:49

As explained, I use Allplan 2019!
Maybe there is something changed to 2020...

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EiPM_Xavi

04.06.2020 - 08:02

Thanks Nemo! I tried as shown in your screenshot, and the issue it's still there..

I'm agree with you, in 2020 there are anything strange...

Thanks!
Xavier Coll

Xavier Coll • Architect, Project Manager I+D, BIM Manager, BIM Auditor
EiPM • http://www.eipm.es/en/

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